What is the difference between roach and rudd

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Rudd and Roach. Thread starter theartist Start date Feb 5, They seem to pop up everywhere but in tiny numbers. Unless it's a proper rudd water all the rudd I get seem to be lone fish that are roach coloured and only the fins and mouths indicate either a percentage of rudd in appearance. Rather than true hybrids, as there are no true rudd in many of these waters are they roach that have still got the rudd gene from a cross breeding many generations back?

Keith M Well-known member. Rudd Roach As the photos above show here is quite a marked difference between a Rudd and a Roach in most of my local waters; although the Rudds golden colour can be very subdued in some waters I've fished. The slightly rearer position of the Rudds dorsal fin and its slightly upturned mouth is usually a sure sign it's a Rudd unless it's a hybrid of course.

Not sure but wouldn't the only way to tell be DNA? Keith M said:. Click to expand I believe that there is also a yellow finned rudd Mark Wintle Well-known member. Two types of roach; 'normal' and 'golden'. Three types of rudd; 'normal', 'golden' and 'yellow fin'. The Artist's pictures look to be of a rudd as does the one on the other thread. Very little evidence to prove that populations of roach exist with 'a little bit of rudd' in them or vice versa.

First generation hybrids common enough but second generation extremely rare as are back crosses hybrid x pure species. Loads on this with some very interesting pictures in my two roach books.

Whilst the sheen of a fish can help in identifying a roach from a rudd it is very much secondary to the primary features of dorsal position, mouth, and if you dissect the fish the pharyngeal teeth. DNA is the best of course. To get a representative DNA sample for roach or rudd you would take 30 fish from 30 different waters and check each one to eliminate obvious hybrids and expect to get a baseline profile.

Fish ID Presentation. It was amazing to learn about the fish in the classroom, and then come outside and see some in the flesh. Each fish caught was measured, and scale samples from some were taken in order to age the fish. Once they had been recorded and had recovered, they were returned safely back to the Wandle. The river was often different colours depending on the waste from the factory.

Is it true that Trout and Salmon have returned to the Wandle? I believe it used to be a spawning river for both species. Thanking you in anticipation, J. Hit enter to search or ESC to close Search ». Charity No. As many venues there are that harbour roach and rudd, as many fishing methods and baits are there to catch them. Both roach and rudd can effectively be fished for on the bottom using a quiver tip or feeder rod, some groundbait and maggots, bread, corn, hempseeds or worms for bait.

The same goes for float fishing. Especially on rivers, trotting for roach or rudd using a classic light Avon float is a highly popular and effective way of catching these species. If you want to try out the Avon float on your local river, you can pick up a few on Amazon here. When it comes to specimen fishing, some anglers also target them by using smaller-sized bolt rigs.

This method can be especially successful in carp venues that hold really big roach and rudd that are hard to catch. Here, the patient specimen angler might catch these mythical creatures via the use of light ledger rods, sensitive bite indication and small hookbaits, such as fake corn, fake maggots or very small boilies and pop-ups.

I often fish this way myself and can tell you that there is a lot of fun in this, somewhat less active way of approaching these species. Especially so if you are using really light ledger rods with a test curve of 1,25lb. On these, big roach and rudd, which are smaller, but really strong fish species, will be a worthy opponent!

You can take a closer look at my favourite rod for roach and rudd specimen fishing on Amazon here. Currently, the UK record roach is a stunning fish of 4lb 4oz that was caught in March of by angler Keith Berry while he was fishing a Northern Ireland stillwater venue. The overall European record is a giant roach that was caught in Germany back in This fish weighed an unbelievable 5lb 12oz and was caught in the river Weser.

The biggest rudd that has ever been caught in the UK was a fish that weighed in at an impressive 4lb 10oz. It was caught in in the venue Clay Lake. Even here, the European record beats the British one with more than a pound, and guess where it was caught!

In the German river Weser. This venue used to harbour a lot of giant fish before pollution started to change that. Time will tell, I suppose.